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Thank you Microsoft

Posted: 18 Mar 2010, 12:58
by viking60
Here is some shocking news about Microsoft, coming from a (mainly) Linux community:

We have a lot to thank MS for!
No don't take off your glasses and polish them; it really says we should be grateful to MS.

You see, without Microsoft we would not be able to sit in our home in front of a PC enjoying Linux, because there would be no PC there.
Some of us would maybe have a Commodore or Apple, but mostly the computer geeks would work in Corporations like IBM and in companies using business machines.
Not many people understood what the hippies in the 70's were doing in papas garage. They were playing around with groovy stuff to make computers work. It was essential to make the hardware communicate, especially the disk, since we would like to store software, and reuse and build on our data.
Furthermore they identified the need to make a computer commonly accessible, so they stole a GUI from Apple (who practically had stolen it from Xerox).
No one in the computer world was particularly interested in the common Joe back then - except Bill Gates and Microsoft.
They defined the giant IBM as the "enemy", representing everything they hated. Suits, business an exclusive closed circles - they challenged the "establishment".
And this establishment had no clue about what potential a computer would have in the "personal" market. The potential for a personal computer was estimated to be practically non existent by giants like Xerox and IBM. That is why an ambitious Bill Gates could "sell" DOS to IBM and keep the ownership and let IBM only have a license. IBM who clearly was the stronger part in those negotiations would have insisted on total ownership if they had a clue on the true potential.
They were interested in a disk operative system for their computers and did not imagine that it could be used anywhere else, at least not on a commercially interesting level.
Bill Gates then went to Japan who could produce lots and lots of computers they could not sell without a standardized DOS and a GUI. The rest is history.

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Microsoft has become what they hated
Microsoft has now become what they were fighting. When the old guys at MS come together and talk about the good old days, I am sure they envy the spirit of the Linux communities of today.
Where IBM would have a more polite but arrogant attitude MS has kept the "street smart" style, and that involves a good portion of bullying. The creative phase in Microsoft seems to be over. They have now entered the patent and law suit area. That may be the beginning of the end for MS as we know it. Bringing the lawyers into the development process will only slow progress and development down. Extortion money will not be a lasting and sound business for Microsoft. If they were to produce superior software with closed source, one would think that the law suits would be unnecessary. If they have realized that the competition is technically superior, then it makes some sense (fear factor).
Anyway:
Thank you Bill Gates for giving me the opportunity to sit in my home on a PC and criticize you!

Copyright Viking60-2010 (nahhh only kidding :) And for those of you wondering: No I am not Bill Gates.)

Re: Thank you Microsoft

Posted: 18 Mar 2010, 19:30
by dedanna1029
The Unix system was first created in 1969, so have a nice day, Mr Gates, I'd be sitting on my fat arse in front of this computer in this sedintary lifestyle anyway, without your snotty crappy corrupt monopolistic business practices.

(I've had more uses for that avatar, I swear.)

(TYVM Ken Thompson!)

Re: Thank you Microsoft

Posted: 18 Mar 2010, 20:13
by viking60
I think it is fair to assume then, that you are not grateful. :)

Re: Thank you Microsoft

Posted: 19 Mar 2010, 00:40
by dedanna1029
To Ken Thompson, yes I am, very much. To Bill Gates, no way.

Re: Thank you Microsoft

Posted: 14 Apr 2010, 15:03
by viking60
I think he summed it up well:
Microsoft isn't evil, they just make really crappy operating systems.

Linus Torvalds

Re: Thank you Microsoft

Posted: 14 Apr 2010, 15:34
by rolf
I grew up in the '60s in Sunnyvale, Santa Clara county, California, USA, where is now 'Silicon Valley'. I didn't get my first PC until early 2000 but I have observed some perspective about Gates.
Yes, he was part of a community of geeks that shared intelligence in an open source fashion and the first to advocate that they should profit from this special knowledge, share it with others only at a price. Thus, his philosophy of taking freely from the efforts of others, making it his own, then selling it as proprietary is the cornerstone of his empire.
I watched a documentary on the local Public Broadcast System that chronicled the 'transfer' of the software developed by a young graduate couple from Stanford University to Microsoft. In talks with MS representatives, they naively did not protect their intellectual property rights and wound up without any: MS took possession without any compensation to the couple, whatever. When asked about this transaction, the MS rep said, in effect, "What do you expect?"
These are just a couple bullet points of years of observation and I have no trouble considering Microsoft as evil. I don't buy the assertion that personal computing would not exist had not the phenomenon been driven by one man's greed. Innovation would lead to alternate histories.

Re: Thank you Microsoft

Posted: 14 Apr 2010, 16:25
by viking60
Ok I take it back - Microsoft is evil :lol: The students that made DOS got a puny amount of money and MS earned millions. The attempts to FUD Linux is actually a very good indicator of Microsoft's attitude.
But IBM was not much better back in the day.
And I am still pretty convinced that Bill Gates brought the computer to the people in a way that no one else would have.

Re: Thank you Microsoft

Posted: 14 Apr 2010, 16:33
by rolf
It's all a matter of opinion! :)

Re: Thank you Microsoft

Posted: 14 Apr 2010, 19:33
by dedanna1029
rolf wrote:It's all a matter of opinion! :)

+ 1

Another thing that people are not considering here, is Bill Gates/Microsoft did not invent computers. He just made a ton of corrupt greedy dollars off of them is all.

Re: Thank you Microsoft

Posted: 14 Apr 2010, 20:44
by viking60
dedanna1029 wrote:
Another thing that people are not considering here, is Bill Gates/Microsoft did not invent computers. He just made a ton of corrupt greedy dollars off of them is all.

I am considering it :D He made the disk operative system available so the computers could be used by you and me. And he made a ton of money. But I fail to see how he (or the money) was corrupt. When he started, the demand for PC' was 10 -ten- . With DOS HE ans MS made it 10 000 000 -ten million - I don't see how he made corrupt money of computers that were not there. MS created the market. You don't have to like it - MS still did.