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NSA will destroy millions of American calling records

Posted: 28 Jul 2015, 01:49
by Panther96
On Monday, the Obama administration said in a statement phone records would no longer be examined in terrorism investigations after 29 November

The Obama administration has decided that the National Security Agency will soon stop examining – and will ultimately destroy – millions of American calling records it collected under a controversial program revealed by former agency contractor Edward Snowden.
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When Congress passed a law in June ending the NSA’s bulk collection of American calling records after a six-month transition, officials said they were not sure whether they would continue to make use of the records that had already been collected, which generally go back five years.

Typically, intelligence agencies are extremely reluctant to part with data they consider lawfully obtained. The program began shortly after the September 2001 terrorist attacks, but most of the records are purged every five years.

The NSA’s collection of American phone metadata has been deeply controversial ever since Snowden disclosed it to the Guardian in 2013. President Barack Obama sought, and Congress passed, a law ending the collection and instead allowing the NSA to request the records from phone companies as needed in terrorism investigations.

That still left the question of what to do about the records already in the database. On Monday, the director of national intelligence said in a statement those records would no longer be examined in terrorism investigations after 29 November, and would be destroyed as soon as possible.

The records cannot be purged at the moment because the NSA is being sued over them, the statement said.

The NSA queried the database around 300 times a year against phone numbers suspected of being linked to terrorism. But the program was not considered instrumental in detecting terror plots.
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It later emerged that some officials inside the NSA wanted to unilaterally stop collecting the records, both because they were concerned about the civil liberties information and because they did not believe the program was effective. Many mobile phone records, for example, were not collected.

Still, in the event of an attack, the records currently being stored would allow the NSA and the FBI to quickly map connections going back several years. Without the database, that task will be somewhat harder because the records will have to be obtained. And the top terrorism fear among American officials at the moment is an attack by a disgruntled American who has been radicalized by an Islamic State operative abroad.

“There’s a potential reduction in capability that they are accepting under pressure,” said Steven Aftergood, who writes about intelligence and secrecy for the Federation of American Scientists.

“Whatever intelligence and analytical value might reside in this data will be eliminated. It’s a political choice that they are making, and it shows that at the end of the day they are a law-abiding organization. They are not putting their intelligence interests above external control.”


http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015 ... ng-records


Do we have a half-step of a victory here?

Re: NSA will destroy millions of American calling records

Posted: 29 Jul 2015, 07:43
by viking60
A small baby step maybe.
It does not take too much imagination to figure out how the NSA can tap dance around this:

1. keep the data as long as possible:
The records cannot be purged at the moment because the NSA is being sued over them, the statement said.


2. Regular exchange with the best friends in GCHQ and the agencies of the Five eyes will ensure that those data never will disappear - they will only be gone from US servers.

3. Should the need occur those friends will exchange those data with the NSA again...
It is even possible to simply send the data out of the country, delete them, and get them back 10 seconds later. That way the NSA would not have gathered them from the American people but simply have data obtained from a foreign agency. This would be mutually beneficial since the Brits are not allowed to retain those metadata anymore either after a ruling in the european court....

It is positive though that there is an "acceptance" that this was illegal and that it should be deleted.

If the US should demand that the UK cannot keep data that are illegal in the US the Brits would play along - anybody in the NATO would.

Somehow I doubt that this initiative will come.....

If the NSA do not like the laws they will tap dance around them better than any Tax cheater; moving data around rather than money. Everybody is a "foreigner" somewhere....and as we have learned; they can freely be spied upon.

If the UK and the US could officially confirm that they will not retain - and delete - data that are illegal in the US or in the UK - one of the countries - then we could talk about a small victory for privacy.

To make it really stick all western agencies would have to be part of such an agreement.

Re: NSA will destroy millions of American calling records

Posted: 29 Jul 2015, 14:15
by R_Head
The news is a lie. We all know once the info is held on a remote location the chances of been deleted is close to 0; has to be a copy/backup somewhere...

Now, what we need to pray is for Incompetence and assume the con-tractors are ripping the Gov with some sloppy IT work and never backed anything off. :lol:

Perhaps, as a cover up for their ripoff/incompetence the administration is making the excuse and making a positive out of a negative by saying to destroy the records.

Have anybody been following about OPM? About some hackers stole the data? Please, another dog with that bone! I bet the contractors lost the data and they are blaming hackers as cover up. On top of that, begging for more cash to protect their system. F-ing genius !! :jackpot

Re: NSA will destroy millions of American calling records

Posted: 12 Sep 2015, 17:08
by dedanna1029
viking60 wrote:1. keep the data as long as possible:
The records cannot be purged at the moment because the NSA is being sued over them, the statement said.


IF they are being sued (and I happen to know there's all kinds of class action suits against them), they legally have to keep those records for the trial of the suits to back up their claims (which they won't be able to do).

Re: NSA will destroy millions of American calling records

Posted: 12 Sep 2015, 22:24
by viking60
Yes poor NSA; they have to keep the records that they soooo want to delete :twisted:
How inconvenient.

Still you are right about that I think; so it does not matter. I am happy that these small steps are taken because that shows a slight acceptance of guilt.

It was wrong to gather them and to keep them. That is why those records are to be deleted.

Re: NSA will destroy millions of American calling records

Posted: 13 Sep 2015, 02:28
by dedanna1029
Yes, but you'll never hear them put it like that, or admitting to anything, so I don't consider it much of a step.