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KDE 4.8 is out

Postby viking60 » 29 Jan 2012, 12:21

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KDE 4.8 is out and it is better looking than ever. It is a matured and good DE by now and lots of bugs have been fixed. I have had trouble with ssh (fish/sftp) and Dolphin before, but not anymore.
Interoperability is improved. The searching is not as good as in gnome -but everything else pretty much is.
Above all you have the freedom to right-click and alter what ever you like.
Fully fledged and fully flexible.
There really are not many reasons not to use KDE these days....
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Re: KDE 4.8 is out

Postby rolf » 29 Jan 2012, 19:42

I see they are bringing this in on cooker, do you have it running in a different distro?

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Re: KDE 4.8 is out

Postby viking60 » 29 Jan 2012, 21:31

Yup Arch! It is the first and fastest with everything.
That is the beauty of it. When it comes to the main stream distros I already know it. So in prior discussions there, I know if it is worth implementing or not.
This one definitely is!
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Re: KDE 4.8 is out

Postby rolf » 29 Jan 2012, 21:50

Yes, Arch seems like a good 'ace in the hole', if things sour too much over here in Mandriva-land. About Arch in the wiki talks about how it's *BSD-inspired, which gives me the willies as I'm not too interested in learning a whole new "slices" paradigm for partitioning. However, the beginner's installation howto looks like it's just good old primary, secondary, and extended gear, something I can deal with. :berserk2

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Re: KDE 4.8 is out

Postby viking60 » 29 Jan 2012, 23:14

Not much new for you too learn there, it is good old Linux.
Arch's simple init system is heavily inspired by the *BSD way of incorporating calls from a single file (rc.conf) rather than the SysVinit directory structure containing dozens of symlinks for each runlevel. System configuration is achieved through editing simple text files.

This is a huge advantage and means that you basically control your daemons and settings from one file. It makes things easier.
The partitioning is the same and you can use reiserFS :-D
The urpmi of Arch is pacman so that takes some getting used too - but it is easy.
urpmi --auto-update = pacman -Syu etc
Listing Orphans etc are done with pacman and you can delete them like you are used to. The set of brains and considerations involved, are pretty much the same and take experience - you have got that.t y.
Arch does not set things up for you so you set up exactly what you need yourself - and implement the daemons needed in /etc/rc.conf.
It gives you total control over your system.
If you want KDE don't bother with Gnome. Arch will not put any Gnome components on your box. This means that your box will be faster and more stable than ever.
Example:
To install KDE just do a

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pacman -S kde
pacman will handle the dependencies for you.
I know you can handle it +1
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Re: KDE 4.8 is out

Postby rolf » 29 Jan 2012, 23:38

Thanks for the insurance policy! :s

There is a lot of inertia in having learned so much about rpm and I'm hopeful the brawling development model will bear fruit at Mandriva. As years go by and days grow short, however, I might have to take refuge in the almost civilized-looking Arch tribe. :berserkf

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Re: KDE 4.8 is out

Postby viking60 » 30 Jan 2012, 00:44

Yes sure; you must keep your RPM expertise warm - I need it every time I fubar.
There is always that.....+1
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Re: KDE 4.8 is out

Postby dedanna1029 » 30 Jan 2012, 03:57

Rolf, you might as well try it and get it over with. It's been recommended to you before. Once on it, you'll never want back off. It's that stable. Print out both the beginner's guide and installation guides before you install, and follow them to the letter until you have the steps down in your head, from there you can modify them. Don't let the About scare you off. It will all be as familiar as rpm is to you once you start. I've run it for years off and on, and had the same problem when I went from it to rpm. I found the rpm distros not anywhere near as stable, and had a time figuring them out. But as anything else, the more we do, the more we learn. You could certainly do a LOT worse than Arch, and have with any other distro nowhere near the bleeding edge rolling distro, nor be able to do it with rock-solid stability like Arch does.
You don't do "slices" or anything else mechanical like BSD does (although I wish it did, being a huge BSD fan), you have your / (root), /swap, /boot, and /home, just like any other normal distro. You will see how it is BSD-like once you're into it. It's more a mindset kind of thing, and the way it "does", or "acts", for lack of better words. I can't really verbalize or describe it well. Just believe me, and trust me this once, in saying it is indeed something that's right up your alley.

Oh, meant to mention also, that Arch has one of the most gorgeous implementations of KDE of all. It is the only distro that I will even load KDE on. If you like being the first to try out new KDE versions, then Arch is definitely the way to go. I know you love KDE; do it the beautiful way. :)
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Re: KDE 4.8 is out

Postby rolf » 30 Jan 2012, 04:19

Ok, thanks for the detailed support. It does sound good. I'm tempted but have a lot of irons in the fire, so to speak, will wait for a little more quiet time.
When I was looking at getting my first Linux in 2000, I had it narrowed down to Mandrake and SuSE, which had an outpost right here in Oakland, California.
Wikipedia wrote:S.u.S.E. was the largest Linux distributor in Germany. In 1997, SuSE, LLC was established in Oakland, California, for entering the U.S. Linux market.


I was enchanted by the magical mystique of Gnome and SuSE's green dragon but went with Mandrake 7.1 Deluxe CD set, shipped from Mandrake's USA facility in California, iirc. That is how I came to use KDE, which has it's own irritations. I have tried gnome but found limitations wrt choices I use in KDE, such as single-click, that gnome wouldn't allow. Gnome is going through some radical changes, so it's all a moving target but I look forward to seeing how Arch presents KDE. :greetings

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Re: KDE 4.8 is out

Postby dedanna1029 » 30 Jan 2012, 06:56

Funny you should mention SuSe. At that time until 2004, I was running SuSe Pro, and ran it until they released 9.3, and botched it with that release.

Oh, the other thing is that as far back as I can remember with Gnome (and admittedly my memory's not as good as it used to be), single-click was always in Nautilus options for Gnome. TBH, there hasn't been much, if anything, that KDE could do that Gnome couldn't. If you're talking pre-1.0 version of Gnome, I suppose it's possible, but I don't remember for sure that the option for single-click wasn't there or was.

At any rate, as you've seen, I myself am not so happy with the radical Gnome changes, but there are those who seem to be able to deal with it. I'm still on a search for another desktop that's neither KDE nor Gnome. IMO Gnome devs did the same as KDE devs did when KDE released 4 originally. Made complete total 180 degree turns and didn't stop to ask the users what they thought. I had higher hopes for Gnome 3 than what we got; was so interested that I did a bit of testing for them for 3. Then when they released it, it was nothing like what I thought it would be. It was a totally unfinished product. Why they release these things like that (unfinished), I'll never know.

Do have to admit that KDE is growing on me a bit, but then I have Arch's implementation of it. That would make any die-hard Gnomer, especially at this time, take a second look at KDE. I have to admit it is getting better (but they really need Amarok 1.4.10 back).


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