Mandriva with new application Manager

[dedanna1029]

Are you talking about their forum work, or forum work here? For the amount of activity at this forum, no more is needed than what there is, IMO (for instance, why would any global moderator need help in the Lounge or Welcome? That's another reason I thought with two jobs about to start, that it was good timing to resign those sections; I wasn't doing the work on them anyway, and there was only one thing needed for me to do in the whole time I co-moderated them). I like to work on the jobs that I do, TYVM, I get bored otherwise.

Insofar as the MDV and Mageia forums go, they always need work (even rolf could agree on this one). ( ; sorry, I can't quite go the shooting but i can go the for those two, and the middle finger).

rolf with your skills, I'm not quite agreeing with viking on Chakra; even I have had no interest in it. Could do it, but have no interest. For one, there's not much interest here in KDE, BUT, I will say that I agree 100% with Arch. Arch will give you skills beyond your wildest dreams, but there's the caviat that the only time one learns a whole lot is in the installing and setup for it. Beyond that, it's just keeping it updated. Could get boring for you beyond that point. It's way too stable almost, and the Arch implementation of KDE (regardless of my own issues with KDE in Arch in general, which I did finally manage to get beyond), is absolutely GORGEOUS. WTF does one need Chakra for that for? Arch's is prettier, and you'd learn more from it.

If you do ending up wanting to try Chakra, then consider it a completely separate distro, and don't fall for the "just like Arch" crapola. Run it as a separate entity. Arch itself doesn't need a Chakra. It's dynamite on its own, and there's more that's better with it (and more to learn from it).

Everyone used to put down my love of FreeBSD too. Give it a try as well, and you'll see why I love it. It's completely open-source, it has a totally different way of doing things than your standard run-of-the-mill distros, and you learn a lot, on an ongoing basis with it. Don't judge 'til you walk the walk, people. If I had the time to take the time with it right now, it would be my #1, and there would be no stopping me. I'd even screw off Arch for it, and have a 2nd drive all free for data for meself with it. There would be no need for me to install anything else.

[rolf]

Ok, if some free time appears, I might put a little sampler 'ad' for rpm and urpmi there, with pointers to some comprehensive online and file system documentation. Here's a teaser:

Maximum RPM The classic rpm doc page

Urpmi From Mandriva's wiki

Those, along with man rpm, man urpmi, etc. are the best places to start.

Thanks for the advice about Chakra. I'm comfortable with Mandriva for my distro atm but it's good to know of viable alternatives, in case.

[viking60]

.. It's way too stable almost, and the Arch implementation of KDE (regardless of my own issues with KDE in Arch in general, which I did finally manage to get beyond), is absolutely GORGEOUS. WTF does one need Chakra for that for? Arch's is prettier, and you'd learn more from it.

While I agree with most of this, there is a decisive difference (repeating):
Arch implements KDE - and yes it is gorgeous. And it sucks a lot of CPU power! Chakra has made KDE modular so you can have a lightweight KDE that sucks less juice out of your box.
That would take away my main criticism against KDE, and that is the interesting part with Chakra. Also the clean apartheid between QT and Gtk contributes to this.
Let's face it: I need Gimp and FF in my Arch so it will pull a lot of Gtk stuff that Chakra does not.

But I tend to agree with the sentiments of Dedanna: Arch is rock solid and boringly stable. My wife uses it on a small AAO (with a modified Kernel) and she just yells at me if she cannot print out enter facebook or shut down the lap by closing the lid, playing games in flash - It all works.
I just think it is fair to point out these uniqe Chakra strong points.

Urpmi From Mandriva's wiki

http://wiki.mandriva.com/no/Urpmi I did the whole enchilada - learned a lot. Good tips there.

[dedanna1029]

Yes, but as time goes on, Chakra will be implementing and adding more CPU-hogging things anyway. It's the way of the KDE world. One can make KDE just as "modular" in any other distro. You got how many plasma applets going that you don't need again? You got how many KDE things installed in general that you never use again (I don't mean necessarily "you" specifically, but most people who use it)?

You can learn how much in an Arch install and setup in 16 hours more, than in any other setup and install, info that sticks with you? Every single Arch setup, I learn something else. I've done many. You can learn in some cases what it takes lifetimes to learn on other distros. Can you do that with Chakra?

[viking60]

No you can't - that is the difference - so I will stick with Arch - but it might not be for everyone.

[viking60]

@rolf I was particularly impressed by urpmi --parallel. It downloads the updates or whatever and distributes it to all the PC's on your "list" with the same arch.
http://yfrog.com/0uparallelz

[rolf]

http://wiki.mandriva.com/no/Urpmi I did the whole enchilada - learned a lot. Good tips there.

[dedanna1029]

@rolf I was particularly impressed by urpmi --parallel. It downloads the updates or whatever and distributes it to all the PC's on your "list" with the same arch.
http://yfrog.com/0uparallelz

Aye, that was something that always impressed even me. lol.

[dedanna1029]

No you can't - that is the difference - so I will stick with Arch - but it might not be for everyone.

Aye, but in this case, we're talking rolf. I think he could handle it no sweat. We're not talking "anyone".

rolf, if you get some time and want to do some playing 'round, have a read here and here. Whenever someone starts out with Arch, who is Linux experienced, I have them print these out and follow them to the letter. Had a couple experienced with Linux who took the "I think I can handle it" route, and every single time would come back to me saying, "such and such isn't working on the installation". I'd tell them, "See, told you to print those things out and follow them." I have them pretty well memorized, and have pretty well learned what I can do and can't at what point, so have gotten to where I can do some "multi-tasking" with it now.

It wouldn't take you long to get the swing of it at all. A good portion of it I'm sure you've done at some point or another. It's all in the order of things that's the kicker with Arch installation - so yes, start with following it. You can take it from there on future installations (should you ever need to reinstall it; I have only once re-installed it on my own machine, and have done many many installations of it for others that are still to this day running on the same installation).

Have phun. As you were with urpmi/MCC. Forgive the OTT, but even though I am mad at it right now, I do believe it to be (other than FreeBSD), the best distro there is.

[rolf]

Thanks for all the intel. I've not the time to take on another exploration, right now, but will follow your procedure when I want to look at arch.