Arch Linux

[dedanna1029]

Ha! Alt+right-click on a panel in Gnome in Arch is a lifesaver.

Try it.

Also, there's a json-glib update... hope that fixes the yaourt problem.

[viking60]

Alt+right click does nothing here in Gnome-shell. I guess it must be a fallback thing.

[dedanna1029]

Guess so. *shrug

[viking60]

Arch is a great distro and it fits my needs perfectly. It is the fastest it has everything first and it is stable. I am bored with Gnome3 before other distros even have considered implementing it.
So I would recommend it to every one right? - Wrong! And there is a reason for that I recommend Mandriva for users who need control panels to install software and add repositories. And let us face it; most users need that. At some point they might want to drop it, but many never will leave the comfort and the ease of an understandable GUI.
Hey I started out with Mandriva myself (small Lie: I really started with Suse:))and the MCC was the main reason. From there people have a chance to move on - if they want to.

So Arch did not have this opportunity. Gtkpacman does not work anymore, Wakker takes forever and the search hangs. So i had a look at the Qt based GUI frontends for pacman:
Apper
and
Appset
And guess what they work nicely Apper is integrated in KDE and makes the search and installation easy, but it is basic.
Appset is just brilliant. It does add a daemon to your rc.conf during installation and Archers really don't like that. But newbies love it:install it - and let it work out of the box -Great!
So I will still use the CLI to do my updates and installs, but when I need to search a program and get info about it I will use Appset for sure! Also you can handle your repos pretty much like in the Mandriva CP.
Life is easy and you have a CP that gives you that immediate overview and possibility to install and upgrade what you want. And it all works! You need to install packer to make the AUR upgrades work. And to get the ability to install tar-balls with Appset. But it all works. And I have not heard any Archers complaining about the security of it either.
(I am sure it will come from some purist CLI person but so far I have not seen it).
In short this stuff is a pretty good CP and I think it matches MCC, in the most important aspects. MCC has a lot more like installing Apache etc but the software installation part is better in Appset !

This stuff could make Arch accessible for a whole new group of Linux users. But It remains to be seen if the Arch community actually want them They are good, and they have real quality members and quality documentation. Naturally that would be "watered out" with a set of new users with less skills.

Hmm come to think of it; this CP is crap don't use it

[dedanna1029]

Okay, I actually started on MDV 9.0, but immediately went to Suse. Then, back to MDV when Suse came out with 9.3 Pro; it ran like crap. Now, I run whatever floats my boat at the time. lol.

Um, okay, so you're saying use Appset or not? *confused

Nice vid, btw.

[viking60]

I am only joking (bad joke about keeping less experienced users away from Arch).
That thing is very good indeed!

[dedanna1029]

Ah, okay. I take a different philosophy on that. I think the new users should learn all they can from every angle of Linux when they start with it, and then make their own choices on what they're going to run from there. It's not much to teach someone; have done it countless times (but then teaching is what I want to do in the end anyway).

Just because it's got a gui doesn't mean it's going to be great 'n good 'n wonderful; there are some progs and OSes that run like dirt crap off the gui. I think the more dumbed down a distro is as well, the more it insults a new user's intelligence (they're not all stupid). There are also multitudes of forums they can go to (this is one if they choose) if they have problems with installing and using anything.

Linux is a completely different animal from Windows to learn to begin with. They might as well learn all they can from the get-go.

[viking60]

There are different angels and views on this. For those who would like to start with a nice understandable Control panel this is a good thing. Then the Command Line stuff could develop from there.
Also there are the classical users. The ones that use the OS for something, without giving a d.. about how the OS works. They want to produce letters presentations and spreadsheets fast and efficiently. Absence of problems, and presence of speed and user friendliness is enough.
People are different and they can all use Linux - that is the beauty of it.

[dedanna1029]

God dammit, it's STILL THERE, and I need yaourt!!!

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.:[ dedanna@dedanna.rocks.net : 16:59:59 : ~ ]:.
:) yaourt nautilus-dropbox
lexical error: invalid char in json text.
                                       <html> <head> <title>Tor is not
                     (right here) ------^

GRRRRRRRRRR ARGH!!!

[viking60]

May I suggest packer? It is great and "replaces" yaourt.

[dedanna1029]

Packer won't go. If it's in AUR I'm screwed, because I can't yaourt it:

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[root@dedanna dedanna]# pacman -S packer
error: target not found: packer

Also, what the hell. Whatever way I go on updates, I'm screwed:

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[root@dedanna dedanna]# pacman -Syu
:: Synchronizing package databases...
 core is up to date
 extra is up to date
 community is up to date
 archlinuxfr is up to date
:: Starting full system upgrade...
warning: postgresql: ignoring package upgrade (9.0.4-3 => 9.0.4-4)
warning: postgresql-libs: ignoring package upgrade (9.0.4-3 => 9.0.4-4)
:: Replace zope-interface with extra/python2-zope-interface? [Y/n] y
resolving dependencies...

Enter a number (default=1): 1
looking for inter-conflicts...
:: openjdk6 and jre are in conflict (java-runtime). Remove jre? [y/N] n
error: unresolvable package conflicts detected
error: failed to prepare transaction (conflicting dependencies)
:: openjdk6 and jre are in conflict (java-runtime)
[root@dedanna dedanna]#
[root@dedanna dedanna]#
[root@dedanna dedanna]#
[root@dedanna dedanna]# pacman -Syu
:: Synchronizing package databases...
 core is up to date
 extra is up to date
 community is up to date
 archlinuxfr is up to date
:: Starting full system upgrade...
warning: postgresql: ignoring package upgrade (9.0.4-3 => 9.0.4-4)
warning: postgresql-libs: ignoring package upgrade (9.0.4-3 => 9.0.4-4)
:: Replace zope-interface with extra/python2-zope-interface? [Y/n] y
resolving dependencies...
:: There are 2 providers available for java-environment:
:: Repository extra
   1) openjdk6
:: Repository community
   2) jdk

Enter a number (default=1): 2
looking for inter-conflicts...
----------> error: failed to prepare transaction (could not satisfy dependencies)
----------> :: bugzilla: requires perl-cgi
[root@dedanna dedanna]#
[root@dedanna dedanna]#
[root@dedanna dedanna]# pacman -Syu
:: Synchronizing package databases...
 core is up to date
 extra is up to date
 community is up to date
 archlinuxfr is up to date
:: Starting full system upgrade...
warning: postgresql: ignoring package upgrade (9.0.4-3 => 9.0.4-4)
warning: postgresql-libs: ignoring package upgrade (9.0.4-3 => 9.0.4-4)
:: Replace zope-interface with extra/python2-zope-interface? [Y/n] y
resolving dependencies...
:: There are 2 providers available for java-environment:
:: Repository extra
   1) openjdk6
:: Repository community
   2) jdk

Enter a number (default=1): 1
looking for inter-conflicts...
:: openjdk6 and jre are in conflict (java-runtime). Remove jre? [y/N] y
----------> error: failed to prepare transaction (could not satisfy dependencies)
----------> :: bugzilla: requires perl-cgi

That's after trying it both ways.

Edit: After uninstalling bugzilla, and figuring out that I had to answer with N for No for the zope-interface replacement, and answering with #2 for the java update, I finally got updated. I didn't want to update, but was in a position to where I had to. I'm going to try reinstalling bugzilla now that the updates are done, and see if it will fly now.

And now, bugzilla installs just fine with its perl-cgi dependency.

However, the packer issue remains unresolved.

Thanks.

[viking60]

Yes packer is in AUR.