Mageia

[viking60]

I have this thing about ML's they spam my mailbox down and I am maybe interested in 1 % of what I get.
So I thought the ML-portal was a good idea.

Obviously the Mageia gurus don't, as you can see by clicking the link above.
It was never meant to be permanent. I have contributed and had to subscribe to the ML's for a while but I think the information is suffering from this.
They will consider making it a part of the forum if we ask for it if I understand the text correctly.
Strange. Why would anybody not want it?
In any case I will not post in a forum where my posts are closed to me after a very short time. I like them to be "open source". Before I can do that, I think the beloved and trusted community (in words) simply is not trusted in the Mageia camp.
The distro is OK but I think they have to be able to create some Enthusiasm around it for quite some time in order to be able to survive.

[dedanna1029]

Oh good god they'll never "get it". Anne didn't until the end there at MDV, either.

[viking60]

Mageia's commercial "branch":
http://www.hupstream.com/en/

[jkerr82508]

Other than the fact that several of the Mageia co-founders are involved, there is no connection with Mageia. Having been fired by Mandriva, they need to earn a living.

Jim

[viking60]

Hence the "".

They do present themselfes as co-founders of Mageia (as they are) and active members so the link is unquestionable. I even think it is fair to say that there would be no Mageia without these people.
The "no conection" statment appears constructed or at least understated.
There also is a link to comercial vendors on the mageia support pages.
http://www.mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id= ... al_vendors

For-profit organizations are part of the Mageia ecosystem. The following companies provide commercial services with or around Mageia software, tools or project.

Note that Mageia.Org does not represent, validate, or endorse these organizations - this space is provided mainly as a reference - and may be redesigned or reindexed later at the Board's discretion.

And the Mageia board that decides is:
ennael
misc
dams
tmb
wobo
rda

At least 33% of that board is from Hupstream. Maybe more - you tell me! I have been a business leader long enough to know that this kind of information must be communicated to the share holders in a business setting.
Especially since the only company refered to is the one with (at least) 33% representation on the Mageia board.

In a community setting I think it would be only fair to have the same standard towards the community-members. It would be both the professional and right thing to do.

Having said that I hope they can make a good living out of it!

[viking60]

Short report:
I decided to test ssh in Nautilus.
I hit CTRL+L
And wrote

Code: Select all

ssh://viking60-server

It worked fine!

I made an Alt+PrtScr and saved a pic to impress you with here, and uploaded it to bildr.no
Happy and optimistically I then started to post in FF in Mageia (VirtualBox).
I wanted to preview it to make it look perfect of course and....
The thing completely froze on me again.
Caramba etc..
I have no fancy effects.
https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=688
https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=681
I did make a bug report in April and there are others that seem to take the VirtualBox Multicore approach. I dunno
This is becoming a problem now.....
Can we be sure that this is only limited to VirtualBox?

[viking60]

As I have stated before Mageia has decided to put a strict time limit on editing the posts. This is a distrusting behavior and very unpractical if you post a script and need to edit it as it improves along the way etc.
For this reason I have restrained from further posting in the Mageia forum. As some of the nice people pointed out:
I do not have to post there - which is perfectly correct.

Apparently I need mentoring and the Site Admins are the only ones that can be trusted to edit my posts after I have told them how to do it.
Here is Barry Jacksons Bug report:
https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1956 <---- corrected

Since the "common user" has been heavily used as a defense for this Bug. I
would like to state that I as a common user already have left the building. And
that I will be happy to come back once unlimited editing for the community is
in place.
No "special arrangement" will do it - the entire community should have it.

I agree with Barry, BicyleRepairMan, and the majority here. I think it is
arrogant (and partly offending) to claim that this majority does not count
because of the "common users" that are supposed to be in the majority here.

Who has asked them?

I am willing to make the exact opposite statement about the common user:
When asked if he needs to be mentored or is unable to edit his own posts:
The wast majority will answer no.
The willingness to compromise in this matter shows that we are dealing with
nice people who do not want to be offensive towards each other.

But sometimes a bug is just a bug and needs to be fixed. This is one of those
times IMHO.
Shrugging my shoulders and hoping for a unlimited editing for a community that
I actually trust to be able to handle it.

[jkerr82508]

The link to the bug report should be:
https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1956

I as a common user already have left the building

You are not alone.

Jim

[viking60]

Thanks Jim!
I will now use my wast privilege to edit my post above! In the absolute confidence that this community will understand that it was originally wrong, when they read your post.
Apparently we are not as stupid here as in the Mageia community.....

Yet another demonstration of why unlimited editing is a good thing for everyone.
The elitist Apartheid were the self appointed "smart" ones need to mentor the stupid community is a definite own goal.

[dedanna1029]

Okay. We are getting into a ball of wax here, because there is an objective element here. You guys are I think a bit emotionally involved (which is a good thing, no slights on you here for it), & there needs to be some balance, if I may, someone who doesn't give a flip from the outside looking in. 1) I feel that there should be a limit on edits, to prevent trolls & indiscriminate editing for little or no reason. HOWEVER, in everything there should be balance. You don't want to run people off with it either. Give enough edits to do what a user really NEEDS to do, but not so many that they run away with it. At some point, a post does have to stand as-is, as it's the end of the line for it. Show me where more than say, 15 edits would be necessary? Even for me it's not. lol 2) Give them time and space! Mageia is still very new, & they have their own ways still to work out. As with all new businesses, or ones that make changes, the business will win some customers & will lose some, a process that they are still going through. The proof will be in the pudding. If they end up losing too many, I'm sure they will make necessary changes. 3) Remember, Mageia didn't want a forum to begin with, so of course they are going to be restrictive with it.

[dedanna1029]

Dammit! The post duplicated again! Boss would you fix it pretty please (see, there are times when an admin does have to do edits anyway)?

[viking60]

No problem!
Just tell me on which accounts you cannot be trusted and I'll limit your rights accordingly. See there is no problem if you want your rights to be restricted.
But if you define yourself into the master race that only wants to restrict others then I have a problem with it.
I respect your view and it will never happen here - Basta!
It is beside the point that the posts have to stay the same after a while some do some don't like this one
Because I trust the people here to be able to handle it. And I have no urge to demonstrate some misplaced power.
Regarding Mageia that is OK. I will not accept those conditions - and that must be OK too. So I left the building and so did others. Regarding the emotions you are dead wrong if you are referring to Mageia.
And absolutely right regarding the principle.
If Mageia wants participants they need to make themselves sexy to me - not the other way around. I am not fussy so I have already contributed.
But this decision makes Mageia look like:

But it is a cultural thing if others like it that is fine.
I just think it is clumsy after having praised the community driven distro - to distrust the same community.
So especially Mageia should avoid this.